Can I Make Wow Model Viewer Art and Sell It

2013-01-15,06:25 PM

The viewer gives yous no benefit aside for datamining (which Blizz dislikes, but doesn't ban).

Private Servers steal Blizz's property and gives it to players with no kickback to Blizz.

What the OP may be thinking of is Model Editing. Where y'all change what models are represented customer-side by the game.

2013-01-15,06:53 PM

Private servers are good if you run ane on your own computer and but want to see or experience something out..privately. Model view doesn't come shut to replicated the game its more than of an art book of digital items. Mapview is similar to model view except you tin can actually look at the structures in game. It over again is like an interactive art book.

2013-01-15,06:55 PM

model viewer is like free ad

private servers are people stealing their game

2013-01-xv,06:55 PM

Quote Originally Posted by dokhidamo View Post

The viewer gives you lot no benefit aside for datamining (which Blizz dislikes, but doesn't ban).

Private Servers steal Blizz's property and gives it to players with no kickback to Blizz.

What the OP may be thinking of is Model Editing. Where y'all change what models are represented client-side by the game.

Insta-ban if they detect information technology. Getting to obsessive near wow and people sense of ownership gets them in trouble, even if yous dont know whatsoever better. e.one thousand. the latest ban on players dupping milling or whatever. Some poor suckers got caught in the mix.

2013-01-xv,07:01 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post

It's no different than with music - you can heed to it all you desire, you can edit, remix or whatsoever but as shortly equally you effort to distribute it or make money from it and so it becomes illegal.

You're not allowed to edit the client though. :P

2013-01-xv,07:07 PM

The model viewer is simply that, a model viewer. A private server is a reconstruction of their content that allows a game to be played, though they're not similar to the regular experience without extensive coding on behalf of the server owners.

2013-01-15,07:08 PM

A private server is a fully-performance copy of the alive game.

Well I played on a TBC priv to get some memory flashbacks and accept to say: No. Nigh things that require more than "kill" or "collect" didn't piece of work, Encounters were pure guessqork and buggy as hell.

Re-create of the game? Yeah.
Fully functional? Non even shut.

BTW: Model viewer just reads the files and displays stuff that's in there. It doesn't alter them in any way.

2013-01-15,07:20 PM

Quote Originally Posted by yurano View Post

Even so, the Warcraft universe is intellectual property which is still considered copyright infringement.

Oh I didn't mean it like that, I fully agree information technology shouldn't be done. I simply meant that they are fabricated by reverse engineering since people don't have access to the Blizzard server files.

2013-01-15,07:23 PM

Quote Originally Posted by taximals View Post

Wow model viewer is simply viewing the spells and models in the game.
Emulated WoW sever steals the scripts and information to recreate the game, or anything they want. You can't play the game though model viewer.
Essentially, they don't want people playing their game that isn't their own, it gives the game a bad name and causes lots of legal problems.

As an ex-NCsoft gm also as currently a senior developer(non associated with ncsoft) for one of the most individual server heavy games in history(lineage 2), I can openly tell you the merely thing that is *stolen* is the art. Scripts aren't stolen, information isn't stolen. stories aka quests, Storylines, etc are considered art. Just similar writing is considered an fine art. Grapheme models are considered art. Even so y'all can not cease people from making emulators because every bit long as it isn't for profit its considered educational(which as someone who has washed reverse applied science...information technology is very educational for a programmer.)

Delight don't comment on something that you exercise not know nigh, reverse engineering, gathering all the data etc is actually a TON of work.

The only way to go official WoW scripts/"information"(i still dont even sympathise what you hateful by that), would exist to actually find an exploit such equally a sql injection or a buffer overflow etc, and actually go onto blizzards servers and download the source lawmaking and the compiler(good luck with that.)

For a final disclaimer: I practice NOT support private servers but because it does have away from the playerbase and the income of the live servers and almost every private server is very...VERY...profitable(i have friends who live off of information technology...amend than i live.). Being an Ex-GM it also makes your job security(not that there was much, we were tech support...), seem much less secure.

2013-01-xv,08:17 PM

A big part of the reason model viewer etc. are okay is that they're about always used for things similar making machina movies or pictures and Blizzard is okay with that. They've fifty-fifty gone so far as to publish a guide that covers the use of their IP and information technology says more than or less: "yous tin can do what you desire and then long as it's T rated, not-commercial, and it'south free." They as well offer to help with mainstream media publication: makes sense correct? It'southward free advertizing if you tin get a machima movie on CNN or shown at a film festival.

US copyright law (and by extension, most other nations - considering they all share certain minimum copyright law through treatise) exempts "facts" and other boring bits of information from copyright. In principle things like "10 item in game y has z stats" probably wouldn't qualify for copyright protection considering it'southward non really a creative work, but then once more, perchance Blizzard would contend the point and say that shadowmorn having X strength and Y sockets is a creative piece of work and reporting that fact should count as infringement (in the same fashion that saying the lyrics to some pop song are "Oh baby, aye, get money…"). It's a tough phone call considering a "minimum of creative effort must be displayed" in the protected work simply that isn't defined. It'south up to the people deciding the case to make the determination of what counts. Does a list of stats and drop rates count as creative? Blizzard briefly considered suing some guy who fabricated a guide for WoW without licensing annihilation back in classic just it never went to court: they dropped their case and then it's all the same undecided. I suspect in today'due south US legal climate Blizzard could probably win that case if they tried but at that place'due south cypher to proceeds and a lot to lose so they take no interest in finding out.

Private servers take been argued to decease - blizzard has won the court battles so there'south really not much to say. The client is licensed for you to apply on the status you use information technology with Blizzard's servers. If you don't use it with Blizzard's server then yous have no license. Using unlicensed software is copyright infringement and in America (and some other nations) "aiding and abetting" copyright infringement has likewise been shown to be actionable. Sum it all upward and there you take it. Blizzard could go after individual users of private servers simply there's zip to gain and a lot to lose and so they focus their efforts on closing the servers and leave it at that. The same is true of hacks like glider etc.

2013-01-xv,08:41 PM

Quote Originally Posted past yurano View Post

Private servers cutting into Blizzard'southward profits, illegally and then. Model viewer does not.

It can be easily argued that TBC or vanilla individual realms do non cutting into Blizzard's profits only because they provide the content in a way Blizzard doesn't do anymore and thus the people going for those are non interested in the modernistic version of WoW in the start place to give them any profit to begin with.

2013-01-15,08:42 PM

I don't think Blizzard hunts downwardly WoW individual servers that run older versions of WoW.
I mean the most popular private servers that come up on pinnacle of my head right now are actually upwards and running for years..

2013-01-15,10:00 PM

Quote Originally Posted by YouAreAllWrong View Post

I don't retrieve Blizzard hunts down WoW private servers that run older versions of WoW.
I hateful the most pop private servers that come on top of my head right now are really upward and running for years..

They don't chase down private servers; they hunt down the developers of the emulators that are used to run the private servers.

All the servers running on older patches of WoW don't really need many updates.

2013-01-16,05:48 AM

Quote Originally Posted by Netherspark View Post

Blizzard don't really like the model viewers, they'd forbid them if they could but legally they aren't breaking the law. The difference between what'southward legal and illegal is generally in the distribution of property.

I don't think Blizzard really cares about annihilation model viewers practise beyond potential "spoilers" of what mobs await like.

2013-01-16,05:51 AM

Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post

It tin can be easily argued that TBC or vanilla private realms do non cut into Blizzard'southward profits simply considering they provide the content in a style Blizzard doesn't practise anymore and thus the people going for those are not interested in the modern version of WoW in the showtime place to requite them any turn a profit to begin with.

Sure it tin, but information technology can also easily exist argued that most people who cry for a vanilla/TBC realm all the time are people who do currently have a subscription. If they were to join a vanilla/TBC private server, they might drop that subscription. And again, if Blizzard loses even one subscription to a individual server, it's costing them money.

2013-01-17,01:33 AM

Quote Originally Posted past yurano View Post

Private servers cut into Blizzard'southward profits, illegally and so. Model viewer does non.

In fact, allowing Model Viewer pics to be posted on a site like MMO-Champ might even increase Blizzard's profits. Information technology can exist seen as a form of advertising.

I initially got into WoW because a few friends were playing at a LAN Center, and when I was talking to them about it, one let me endeavor information technology out, and I really enjoyed it, and decided to start playing..........it was a private server.

Shortly after, I went and bought them game considering I enjoyed it and so much. So that means the private server was a form of ad.

2013-01-17,01:51 AM

A model view is nigh as offensive to WoW's intellectual property as a screen shot or a database website. It'south non a moneymaking venture, it isn't subscription competition, and it isn't editing or changing in the game in whatsoever way. It's but a way to wait at something that exists in the Blizzard-canonical gamefiles.

In contrast, private servers do all these things.

2013-01-17,02:06 AM

Vanilla and TBC are/were EPIC, AMAZING, and I just observe them fun. wotlk was ok, Catacysym was HORRIBLE and MOP is well... pandas and pokemon... lol those 2 words say all I demand to hear.

If blizzard had level 60/70 servers and then I'd be at that place... Only as long equally they take their thumb up their ass and don't admit how bad wow is at present and give me a server/game I actually have fun and savour playing then I do what I tin can to play a "Good" game I savor playing.

I'd pay $15 a month to play on a 60/70 server but you couldn't pay me to play Cataclysm or MOP.

2013-01-17,05:04 AM

Quote Originally Posted past yurano View Post

Even then, the Warcraft universe is intellectual property which is nonetheless considered copyright infringement.

Not quite so. Once you lot buy the game, you are entitled to do with information technology whatever the hell you want every bit long equally yous don't copy information technology and make money. Hypothetical, you could arguably re-create it, sell it, and ship all the coin you make of it to Blizzard, which would probably return it legal...

Anyway, the subscription allows you to play on an official server, controlled by Blizzard. At that place is no reason why you shouldn't play on your own server, controlled by you. Or on someone else's server, controlled by someone else.
The problem is: Money. You run into, even though you've bought Blizzard's product (the game) you're not allowed to brand money off of it in their stead. A lot of private servers seem to circumvent that by making players click on advert things, which grants them some kind of in-game credit. Each click gives the server's possessor some money. Information technology's legal; you're not directly making coin off of the game itself... But it's only júst legal, and a good lawyer could probably make information technology seem illegal.

In that location'southward some other problem with this kind of set-upwardly: Gear. You lot run across, in WoW, you get content-specific items which y'all assemble. That is: On the official servers. On private servers, all the same, gear is mostly something you either pay for, or become too much of, and the stats are completely through the roof because... And here's the real problem with private servers... The server owners are not game designers. They like the game, they like the stats, but they don't generally know the system in the same way that a organisation developer does. And that is why all private servers suck, and it's probably meliorate not to play WoW at all than to grind away on a private server. In my opinion.

Anyhow, a model viewer is probably only as 'illegal' as a private server. Though WoWModelviewer is completely free in all regards, and doesn't compete with Blizzard's subscription prepare-up. And as such, Blizzard but doesn't intendance near information technology.

Edit: Merely to add together: Playing on a non-turn a profit private server is perfectly legal... Equally long as you legally purchased the game!

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